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Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down
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fieldolight 
User ID: 402234
3/28/2008 1:05 PM
Report abusive post | Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down
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The Norad Stand Down in 2 Minutes
stand down
[link to georgewashington.blogspot.com]
NORAD, responsible for intercepting errant aircraft over the U.S., has
a standard operating procedure for scrambling planes for interception
which takes less than 15 minutes
They did this successfully (on time) 129 times in 2000 and and 67 times between September 2000 and June 2001.
Yet, on September 11th, they failed to do their job 4 times in a single day:
* NORAD, once notified of the off-course aircraft, failed to scramble jets from the nearest bases
* Once airborne, interceptors failed to reach their targets because they flew at small fractions of their top speeds
* Fighters that were airborne and within interception range of the deviating aircraft were not redeployed to pursue them
You might think that the military couldn't find the hijacked planes
because the hijackers turned off the transponders. However, a former
air traffic controller, who knows the flight corridor which the two
planes which hit the Twin Towers flew "like the back of my hand" and
who handled two actual hijackings says that planes can be tracked on
radar even when their transponders are turned off (also, listen to this
interview).
Indeed, Norad's stand down on 9/11 is so blatant that Norad has given 3
entirely different versions of what happened that day. Norad's false,
ever-shifting explanations were so severe that the 9/11 Commission
considered recommending criminal charges for making false statements
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 402247
3/28/2008 1:09 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
shills ain't gonna touch this one |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 402258
3/28/2008 1:25 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
[cont...]
As a former senior air force colonel said:
"If our government had merely [done] nothing, and I say that as an
old interceptor pilot—I know the drill, I know what it takes, I know
how long it takes, I know what the procedures are, I know what they
were, and I know what they’ve changed them to—if our government had
merely done nothing, and allowed normal procedures to happen on that
morning of 9/11, the Twin Towers would still be standing and thousands
of dead Americans would still be alive. [T]hat is treason!"
Norad's stand down on 9/11 was so blatant that Norad has been forced to
give 3 entirely different versions of what happened that day, as each
previous version has been exposed as false. When someone repeatedly
changes his testimony after being caught in lies, how believable is he?
The falsity of Norad's explanations were so severe that even the 9/11
Commission considered recommending criminal charges for the making of
false statements.
In addition, Dick Cheney monitored flight 77 for many miles as it
approached the Pentagon -- one of the most heavily-defended buildings
in the world -- and yet ordered that the airplane not be intercepted
(confirmed here). Given that Cheney was in charge of all of the war
games and coordinated the government's "response" to the attacks on
9/11 -- apparently including Norad (see this Department of State
announcement, this CNN article, and this essay) -- Cheney's orders
regarding flight 77 seem to be part and parcel of the Norad stand down. Quoting: [link to georgewashington.blogspot.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 402272
3/28/2008 1:49 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
I was working the morning of 911 for NORAD
I saw the shit go down from the inside
I wasn't in that PARTICULAR NORAD sector (NORTH EAST AIR DEFENSE SECTOR or NEADS for short)
But regardlesss, when the shit happened the general consensus was confusion as we had an exercise running at the same time...
Not to mention that for the first time - I am not joking-
Cable TV supplied to the command bunker that I was in was out, so we had no idea 600 ft underground what actually happened.
They cut off internet and phone access to us and we were in the "dark" for that entire day
All we had for information was a Secret Chat line that connects all the
bases and assets in the NORAD system so we had to try to glean the info
off of that.
It wasn't until 6 pm on September 11th that I saw the actual footage of what went down. |
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Greenley Paige
*A Practicing Member of Life*
User ID: 402260
3/28/2008 1:53 PM
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I was working the morning of 911 for NORAD
I saw the shit go down from the inside
I wasn't in that PARTICULAR NORAD sector (NORTH EAST AIR DEFENSE SECTOR or NEADS for short)
But regardlesss, when the shit happened the general consensus was confusion as we had an exercise running at the same time...
Not to mention that for the first time - I am not joking-
Cable TV supplied to the command bunker that I was in was out, so we had no idea 600 ft underground what actually happened.
They cut off internet and phone access to us and we were in the "dark" for that entire day
All we had for information was a Secret Chat line that connects all the
bases and assets in the NORAD system so we had to try to glean the info
off of that.
It wasn't until 6 pm on September 11th that I saw the actual footage of what went down. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 402272
Your CABLE TV went down?????? And was this ever factored into the
equation? OMG! That seems like something that would send up red flags
clear to the goat-story-reading Bushites!!!!
Sheesh! Were you called to testify in the 911 hearings?
Greenley Paige ~
I am fairly certain that given a cape and a nice tiara, I could save the world! :-) |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 372710
3/28/2008 1:53 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 402272
3/28/2008 1:59 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
you may laugh it off
But not having any view on the outside world was something of note.
Cable was NEVER off in the underground
Never before, and never since.
Just that one day about an hour before the shit hit the fan.
you can make me look like some petty fuck with your snide comments if
you like, but I was there and saw the shit that people can only
speculate about. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 261381
3/28/2008 2:00 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
um. by footage do you mean the small handful of frames actually released to the public? zapruder film, anyone? |
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Greenley Paige
*A Practicing Member of Life*
User ID: 402260
3/28/2008 2:12 PM
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you may laugh it off
But not having any view on the outside world was something of note.
Cable was NEVER off in the underground
Never before, and never since.
Just that one day about an hour before the shit hit the fan.
you can make me look like some petty fuck with your snide comments if
you like, but I was there and saw the shit that people can only
speculate about. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 402272
Oh man, I wasn't laughing at you whatsoever. I'm just flabbergasted by
the fact that the cable went off and wondered if this was investigated
or not. I believe what you say, and it makes me more convinced that
there is a conspiracy. Sorry if you took my post as a negative. Tell us
more if you can...
Greenley Paige ~
I am fairly certain that given a cape and a nice tiara, I could save the world! :-) |
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Ghost Avatar
User ID: 393810
3/28/2008 2:15 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
I was working the morning of 911 for NORAD
I saw the shit go down from the inside
I wasn't in that PARTICULAR NORAD sector (NORTH EAST AIR DEFENSE SECTOR or NEADS for short)
But regardlesss, when the shit happened the general consensus was confusion as we had an exercise running at the same time...
Not to mention that for the first time - I am not joking-
Cable TV supplied to the command bunker that I was in was out, so we had no idea 600 ft underground what actually happened.
They cut off internet and phone access to us and we were in the "dark" for that entire day
All we had for information was a Secret Chat line that connects all the
bases and assets in the NORAD system so we had to try to glean the info
off of that.
It wasn't until 6 pm on September 11th that I saw the actual footage of what went down. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 402272
Restrictions on emergency procedures and protocols are proof positive
evidence of Command Avoidance, to the emergency in progress. If what
the poster says is indeed true (and I hope it is) the result of said
testimony, to the fact normal emergency procedures were specifically,
changed to PREVENT or STOP those flights in question, thus allowing
them to proceed ON TARGET, demonstrates by factual evidence, the
incident itself was CAUSED by said PREVENTIONS.
Otherwise, the absurdity is the terrorists "KNEW" they were not going
to be stopped, in direct contradiction to known stated emergency
procedures. Which of course begs the question of HOW they KNEW and Why.
If a police-officer knows a bank robbery is in progress by knowing the
robbers are still five blocks from the bank and does absolutely nothing
because he is TOLD to STAND down and the robbery takes place at great
loss of life, the assistance to teh CRIME is connected to the "giving
of the ORDER" otherwise, the policeman takes out the bad guys two
blocks from the bank and thus Prevents the crime ITSELF.
This Crime was ALLOWED to HAPPEN. The ones who did the "allowing" are Guilty of pre-meditated mass Murder. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380168
3/28/2008 2:17 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
you may laugh it off
But not having any view on the outside world was something of note.
Cable was NEVER off in the underground
Never before, and never since.
Just that one day about an hour before the shit hit the fan.
you can make me look like some petty fuck with your snide comments if
you like, but I was there and saw the shit that people can only
speculate about.
Oh man, I wasn't laughing at you whatsoever. I'm just flabbergasted by
the fact that the cable went off and wondered if this was investigated
or not. I believe what you say, and it makes me more convinced that
there is a conspiracy. Sorry if you took my post as a negative. Tell us
more if you can... Quoting: Greenley Paige
This needs exposure.
Get interviewed. Get your story verified independently. Get out there in the public with this.
If you're not yanking our chains, this is absolutely crucial information.
Can you offer some independent verification of what you're saying? Someone in the underground with you? |
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Pin This!
User ID: 380168
3/28/2008 2:19 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
Some potentially very important information in this thread.
PIN THIS!!! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 402272
3/28/2008 2:23 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
The Cable going out is really the thing that sticks with me.
Everything was normal at work that day besides having to be there early
for this HUGE exercise that we were going into DAY 1 of the 4 day SIM.
we had been training for a few weeks for this and had some big wigs up
from NORAD in Cheyenne Mountain as observers so everyone was on edge
already.
I strollled into work looking at the schedule of my timings to be "on
scope" (that is my turn to watch the air traffic for any deviations
from flight paths, etc.) and noticed that I was there at 5:30 AM and
due to the amount of people that were at work that day I didn't have to
sit for my shift until 10 am...This pissed me off
So I went to the lounge to sit there until 10 am
and began doing what in the military is really done 90% of the time without fail - bitching.
I bitched about how we were stuck in the Hole for 12 hour shifts, I
bitched about the crappy food, I bitched about how we were wasting our
time on this huge ex and wasting resources sending actual teams to the
Arctic to do this EXERCISE...
Then the cable went out sending me off the deep end.
I had another 45 minutes of pure BITCHING, the kind that only comes
from severley disgruntled "little people" that feel that they should be
calling the shots and know the answer to everything...
I stopped bitching shortly after the cable went out |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 402272
3/28/2008 2:27 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
I am no crackpot and what I am saying is true.
There were a number of people down there that can verify this.
I am not into divulging EXACTLY what I saw/experienced but trust me
when I say that at the time before any of us had a chance to digest
what was happening, we thought it was WW3.
The DEFCON was dropping to levels only heard of a few times before
We had to implement plans to divert and land aircraft that were only theoretical - never had the been actually done before..
THat day rewrote NORAD's regulations |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 402258
3/28/2008 2:33 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
Thanks for sharing, 402272.
HLSS |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 402272
3/28/2008 2:37 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
you guys have to understand that I am not at liberty to divulge to many details at this time, I still have a family to feed.
But I can state my own experiences
This isn't really an identity- less forum |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 402272
3/28/2008 2:41 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
I am all for shedding a bit of light on what happened to me that day, but I was a VERY small fish in the large NORAD pond.... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 402258
3/28/2008 2:46 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
you guys have to understand that I am not at liberty to divulge to many details at this time, I still have a family to feed.
But I can state my own experiences
This isn't really an identity- less forum Quoting: Anonymous Coward 402272
Still appreciated nonetheless I'm sure. Even at face value if what you
are saying is true then it inspires much more thought to the 911
events. I think it just helps others perhaps not feel so alone in their
suspicions as to those events and adds some greater awareness as to how
it may have happened.
Cheers.
HLSS |
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AC156099
User ID: 156099
3/28/2008 2:49 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
I was working the morning of 911 for NORAD
I saw the shit go down from the inside
I wasn't in that PARTICULAR NORAD sector (NORTH EAST AIR DEFENSE SECTOR or NEADS for short)
But regardlesss, when the shit happened the general consensus was confusion as we had an exercise running at the same time...
Not to mention that for the first time - I am not joking-
Cable TV supplied to the command bunker that I was in was out, so we had no idea 600 ft underground what actually happened.
They cut off internet and phone access to us and we were in the "dark" for that entire day
All we had for information was a Secret Chat line that connects all the
bases and assets in the NORAD system so we had to try to glean the info
off of that.
It wasn't until 6 pm on September 11th that I saw the actual footage of what went down. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 402272
AC 402272,
Thank you for taking the time to post your account of events on that tragic day.
If you don't mind me asking,
1) In light of your experiences, what have you concluded - if even just
in the form of informed opinion - with regards to the causality of the
events of 9/11? I will not comment on your answer to this question, but
would appreciate your willingness to share it with the board.
2) Is this (9/11 and/or 9/11-related conspiracy theories) what brought you here to GLP? If not, then what did?
Thanks.... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 402272
3/28/2008 2:54 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
It was a generation defining day.
My life has been divided into pre and post 911
Not all that you hear is true in the documentaries and BLOGS and whatever else you read.
What was real is when I read over a secure chat that the pentagon got hit by a plane, that my knees went week
Real was watching our American Sargent ( there are American's in CANADA
and Vice Versa working together) begin crying as he is trying to do his
job
WHat's real is my Captain who has been doing the job for years telling a fighter NOT to launch missles
That shit is real. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380168
3/28/2008 2:57 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
you guys have to understand that I am not at liberty to divulge to many details at this time, I still have a family to feed.
But I can state my own experiences
This isn't really an identity- less forum Quoting: Anonymous Coward 402272
Perhaps there's someone trustworthy who can interview you after they
check out your story. Then they can print that interview after you get
a chance to make sure it doesn't divulge anything that will give away
who you are. I'd suggest getting in touch with Wayne Madsen, former NSA
and 9-11 whistle blower of [link to www.waynemadsenreport.com.]
If what you're saying is on-the-level, this needs to be added to the
pile of evidence that proves 9-11 was indeed an inside job. We need to
tip the scales FAST or this country goes bye-bye. We won't know what
piece of information will tip that scale until it actually tips.
Contact Wayne and tell him who you are, where you were on that day, and
that you'd like to speak with him on the phone about what you saw
happen. He is excellent at protecting his sources.
Thanks for whatever you can share. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 402272
3/28/2008 3:02 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
Anything that I have said to this point isn't sensitive info in the military's point of view.
I am however upset that I watched this go down, and was powerless to do anything about it...
when it was an act of terrorism by the boogeyman Bin Laden I was mad
But when I relized that the evidence against it being anything but an inside job was mounting something inside me broke.
I am not American
I am not in the American Military nor ever was either
but to think that shit could happen to innocent people sickens me |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 402272
3/28/2008 3:21 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
the biggest risk when talking to soemone like that is that I sound like someone who just wants to be heard...
I in no way want to spill my guts and let out all the GOINGS ON, I am a professional in that manner.
I am just sickened by even the idea of this being an inside job.
As long as I remain a member of the military I cannot with good
concience divulge too much that they would deem sensitive, because my
memory is pretty clouded about that day...I don't remember everything,
and I don't want to fabricate.
I left NORAD in 2005. I grew disenchanted with the way it was being run POST 9/11...
I could have made a career out of that old boys network, I was being
"groomed" by the higher ups. To say I burned a few bridges when I left
would be an overstatement, but on subsequent visits to my old base, I
have recieved cold shoulders and glares that make me laugh.... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 402351
3/28/2008 3:24 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
I hope you can come back here and report after your next shift that your superiors aren't all of a sudden fucking with you.
I thought I was an anonymous whistleblower once. Lasted all of about 24
hours and I started to get clues that my shit had been discovered.
Within a few weeks, all hell broke loose. Started to be interrogated by
higher ups. Was threatened with being fired and then "you better watch
out who is behind you at night" from a former coworker at a large
corporation that was part of the problem. Finally contacted the FBI
after the physical harm threat. FBI did help, told my public agency
employer to hire a consultant to get to the bottom of my accusations.
We fixed the problems I blew the whistle on and I worked there another
20+ years. I won.
My personal experience blowing the whistle on the illegal collusion
between a large corp. and a public agency gave me the insight that this
is normal and most people are coerced into looking the other way and
keeping their mouths shut.
So when 911 went down, I immediately determined that there had to be much more to it than met the eye.
Good luck. If we don't hear from you again, I hope it all works out for
you. If thousands of people like you could each give us a little
insight into their personal coincidences from 911 we would all be
better off because then there would be enough of you to convince a
federal grand jury that 911 needs further investigation. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 402272
3/28/2008 3:25 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
well I guess I have enlightened you all so much that the dialogue has stopped...
haha
I will continue to monitor these 911 threads and NORAD threads - not to
add my two sense worth everytime, but to call bullshit when I read it
and calrify things when I can. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 402258
3/28/2008 3:27 PM | | Re: Finally the Truth about the Norad 911 Stand down | Quote |
If I may ask was there any post hoc debriefing if you don't mind me asking?
HLSS |
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